- RICK WARREN HAS DEVISED A REDEFINED CHURCH
THAT CAN BE MARKETED TO THE WORLD
BUT WHICH IS NOT FAITHFUL TO THE HEAD
- OF THE CHURCH, JESUS CHRIST
OBJECTIONS TO RICK WARREN'S TEACHINGS
By James Sundquist
Rock Salt Publishing
1. He makes a host of statements in his PDL book that he says
are in the Bible...that is, in fact, in NO BIBLE or translation
that even he promotes. My wife is not a Bible scholar, but does
go through the Bible once a year...at least ten years. So when
she read Warren's PDL book, without even checking the citations,
she was able to say time after time regarding Warren's statements:
"That's not in there" (the Bible), "That's not
in there", "That's not in there". etc. Of course
I knew this too. But when I wrote my first book on Rick Warren,
I did go check the citations.
2. He promotes a host of false translations. See my first book
and first Powerpoint presentation.
3. He promote a host of false teachers.
For a list see: http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/James/IN_HIS__Rick_Warren's_OWN_WORDS_for_general_use.pdf
4. He redefines Christianity. See my friend and colleague Pastor
Bob DeWaay's new book:
Redefining Christianity - Understanding the Purpose Driven
5. Rick Warren's forced covenants put us right back
under the law, the very thing that the Apostle Paul condemned
in Galatians. This will enable you to reject Rick Warren's 40
Days of Purpose and his Purpose Driven Life book before you even
get to his 40 Days in his book. See my Part I of my Powerpoint
presentation on PDC.
6. Warren's SHAPE Personality Temperament Profiling divination
is based on the occultic teachings of Carl Jung. Proof: http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/James/chapter-eleven.pdf
and Part II of my PDC Powerpoint presentation.
7. His Global Peace Plan includes Muslims. See Chapter
Seven in my new book Rick Warren's Global Peace Plan vs. Scripture.
But this article which will be read on Southwest Radio tomorrow
on Watchman on the Wall describes very well why this is impossible
(for a Christian):
CAN A MUSLIM BE A GOOD AMERICAN?
Food for thought. Interesting questions for the Muslim
Community to discuss.
Research for the rest of us.
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
I forwarded that question to a friend who worked in Saudi
Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his forwarded reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the
moon God of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by
his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars
of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca ,
to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him
to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of
America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four
women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he
believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran
do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and
Islam cannot coexist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation
under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while
Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever
called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we
should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They
obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.
You had better believe it.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the
above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends.
The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country
and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
So, do you feel lucky today? Vote for a Muslim or Muslim sympathizer
for Congress or President, where they will have access to issues
of our national security and intelligence which they can then
pass on to their Imam who will then funnel it to Islamic terrorists.
What good will a wall across our entire border with Mexico do
when we vote them into office
8. He is a destroyer of the brethren and countries and then
lies about it:
Regarding a recent statement attributed to Kay Warren below,
someone please ask Gene Dahler (at Saddleback) and Kay Warren
to name names (me, Warren Smith, Deborah Dombroski, Perry Rockwood
[People's Gospel, Canada, Philip Powell: Contending Earnestly
for the Faith [Australia], Wendy Howard: Despatch Magazine [Australia],
Professor Johan Malan (South Africa), Susan Bertalino (SimplicityinChrist.org),
Trayce & Ray Gano, Zeph Daniels, Paul Proctor, Jacob Prasch,
Pastor Bob DeWaay, Dr. Robert Klenck, Evangelist Loren Davis
[who is still picking of up the pieces of the brother and countries
in Africa that Warren has destroyed], former Catholic Priest
Richard Bennett who helped expose his Roman Catholic unholy alliances,
Dean Gotcher, Roger Oakland, Mac Dominick, Chris Carmichael,
David Bay, David Cloud, etc.), as Scripture requires. Ask her
to produce anywhere in my two books on Warren where I have born
false witness against him. I have gotten a host of similar
attacks by Warrenite pastors and followers for a number of years.
And to date, they have produced ZERO evidence that I have slandered
"I recently heard Kay Warren whining and crying on the
("Christian") Paul McGuire Radio Show at KBRT, 740
AM, Crawford Broadcasting, Catalina, Ca.. She told everyone
about the hateful, evil, mean spirited, demonic people who say
such awful, nasty, terrible, and derogatory things about "her
Rick and their Church", (they are so hateful, they must
work for Satan.)"
Only a fool makes up his mind before hearing both sides of the
story. KBRT wants to censor all opposition to ensure that you
never hear the other side of the story, including the accounts
of Warren's victims all over the world! You have now heard the
tears of Kay Warren regarding opposition to Rick Warren. I now
invite you to hear the tears of the victims of a host of churches
who have been evicted for opposing his programs whom he calls
"resisters". Who is going to comfort them? Who is
going to comfort them on KBRT? Certainly not Paul McGuire or
its owner Crawford.
But take heart, there are more and more saints and victims
that see the Emperor's New PDC garments and the fraud of his
Global Peace Plan! KBRT has clearly become PURPOSE-DRIVEN PRAVDA!
A PARABLE OF THE PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH
PURPOSE DRIVEN CHRISTIANITY.... A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT
- UNTO MAN, OR WHO'S END IS DESTRUCTION?
"First they came for ?resisters? and ?pillars? of Brunswick
Reformed Church, Brunswick, Ohio
because they opposed Purpose Driven Life and Church, but I didn't
speak up because I was not a member of Reformed Church of American
Then they came after a lady who was an elder lady in the faith
who had been with the First Baptist Church of Dallas, Texas since
1956 by shouting her down with spiritual euthanasia and aggressive
mean-spirited behavior, and the intimidation of seven attorneys,
because she opposed them turning their landmark Criswell Center
into a Purpose Driven entertainment center. But I did not speak
up because I was not a widow.
Then they held a trial for two families at Valley Baptist Church
in Lakeland, Minnesota, but I didn't speak up because I was not
a member of the General Baptist Convention.
Then they came after 165 members of Gardendale Baptist Church,
Corpus Christi, Texas and ran them out of the church, but I didn't
speak up because I wasn't a Southern Baptist.
Then a brother did finally speak up and tried to warn Eugene
Christian Fellowship because they had gone Purpose Driven, but
they threatened legal action and told him to stop spamming them.
But I did not speak up for fear of being accused of spamming
or being sued by a church.
Then a news reporter for a large Christian radio network sounded
the alarm on His Holy Hill of this clear and present danger.
They ran the story, but received more gnashing of teeth from
callers then they had ever had, so they censored this story from
their Agape Press print media news service.
Then still another brother on another Christian radio ministry
broadcast testimonies of Christians thrown out of their churches
across the country, but the network threatened to remove his
show from the air, if another broadcast was ever made that said
anything bad about Rick Warren. But I did not speak up because
I had friends and family who were either employed by an organization
that promoted Purpose Driven Church, or were in Purpose Driven
Church, and I did not want to lose those relationships.
Then they came after a large group of members at New Hope Church
in Bend, Oregon. But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a member
of The Evangelical Church denomination or the National Association
Then they came after a carpenter and his wife at Calvary Community
Church in Phoenix, Arizona with the police and a sheriff and
escorted him out of the church and off of the grounds for trying
to expose the deeds of darkness and the teachings of Rick Warren,
telling him that if he returned, he would be arrested. But I
didn't speak up because I wasn't a member of the Calvary Chapel
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left
to speak up for me, because every church in the nation had become
Purpose Driven and part of his Global PEACE Plan."
Compiled and Adapted by James Sundquist
Based on Rev. Martin Neimoeller's Poem below written in 1945
(c)2005 Rock Salt Publishing Used by Permission
"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and
I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, but I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because
I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left
to speak for me."
(Rev. Martin Neimoeller, German Lutheran Pastor. Rev. Neimoeller
was arrested by the Gestapo for opposing Hitler and was sent
to Dachau in 1938. He was freed by Allied forces in 1945.)
?Spiritual Euthanasia? Footnotes:
1. Pastor Dave Hawk, Brunswick Reformed Church, Brunswick, Ohio
website: www.b-r-c.org. Incidents occurred with Susan Anderson
April-June 2001. Testimony reconfirmed by email from Susan Anderson
2. Confirmed by the testimony of Betty Erwin on Southwest Radio
Church archived broadcast: March 1, 2005, see and hear at: http://www.swrc.com/broadcasts/2005/march.htm
and by 11/07, 11/11, 11/24, 2004 and 1/6 2005 letters by Betty
Erwin to Mr. & Mrs. Brunson and another former pastor at
Dallas First Baptist Church, and telephone interview March 2005.
3. Pastor Rev. Timothy S Magnuson,Valley Baptist Church in Lakeland,
Minnesota. Tel 651-436-5278.
Verified by letters from church and the families of Keith Thompson
and Charles Thompson.
Centered around October 22, 2002
4. Pastor Micah Davison, Gardendale Baptist Church, Corpus Christi,
Texas. Gardendale Baptist Church
5633 S Staples St., Corpus Christi, TX 78411-4646 Phone: (361)
165 members ousted on July 21, 2004:
Source: http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=18997, and
Corpus Christi Times: Margaret Neu
Information Services Editor, Corpus Christi Caller-Times, P.
O. Box 9136, Corpus Christi, TX 78469
Testimonies of ousted members Piedad Ymbert, B.J. Moore, Grady
Jackson, available on September 2004 archived realaudio files
on Southwest Radio Church at swrc.com, archived, September 2004
at: http://www.swrc.com/broadcasts/2003/september.htm, and letters,
Rick Hudson emails and telephone interviews, September/October
Sundquist, James. Who's Driving the Purpose Driven Church? Bible
Belt Publishing, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. 2004. pp. 193-194.
Website: http://www.swrc.com and http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/False-Teachers.html
5. Pastor Gary Clark, Eugene Christian Fellowship, 89780 N. Game
Farm Rd.,Eugene, OR 97408
541-344-3380. Website: http://www.ecf.org/Content/ContentCT.asp?P=22
Confirmed in letters from and correspondence with Eugene Christian
Fellowship leaders: Tim Reich, Executive Pastor Jonathan Hatmaker,
Discovery 301 Class (SHAPE), Mark Harpham, November 11-19, 2004
6. American Family Radio News, 107 Parkgate Dr. Tupelo, MS 38801.
(662) 844-8888 Radio news segment ran February 15, 2005.www.afr.net
7. Source: Regarding Watchman on the Wall radio show....Prophetic
Observer, February and March Issues, Southwest Radio Church.
Southwest Radio Church, PO Box 100, Bethany, OK 73008
WATS Line: 800-652-1144, Local Phone: 405-789-1222, FAX: 405-787-2589,
8. Sr. Pastor Randy Myers, New Hope Church, 20080 Pinebrook Blvd.,
Bend, Oregon 97702. Tel (541)389-3436 20080. Website: http://www.newhopeonline.net
Correspondence with Pastors Josh Conn (2/03/2005-2/23/2005 and
William Vermillion, The Evangelical Church denomination, an NAE
9. Pastor Mark Martin, Calvary Community Church, 12612 N. Black
Canyon Hwy.,Phoenix, Arizona 85029. Tel. Phone: (602) 973-4768.
Toll Free: (888) 970-3030. Email Address: email@example.com.
Testimony of Bear Frankson based on events since July 2004. Taped
COMMENTARY ON WALL STREET JOURNAL & BAPTIST PRESS ARTICLE
ON RICK WARREN
Without directly accusing Rick Warren of lying, Suzanne Sataline,
author of the September 5, 2006 Wall Street Journal article:
A Popular Strategy For Church Growth Splits Congregants, astutely
revealed him to be one when Warren says he opposes any efforts
to expel members from churches who won't comply with his programs,
then she describes Dan Southerland's Church Transitions organization,
one of Rick Warren major global partners and quotes by their
spokespersons Roddy Clyde and Glen Sartain prove that Rick Warren
does promote those very efforts to expel members from churches.
The WSJ article even backed it up by documenting that Church
Transitions conducted their program right at Warren's Saddleback
Church, making it impossible for him to squirm out of it or say
that it happened at another church...so therefore not his fault.
And I can back it up too because I have tapes of Warren's PDC
Conference leaders in Nairobi Kenya, confirming their alliance
with Church Transitions in Warren's Global Peace Plan. I can't
even believe he would make such an audacious statement that can
be so easily refuted when he trains 400,000 pastors all over
the world how to do precisely just that when dealing with his
"resisters" and those who "must die". Suzanne
Sataline caught Rick Warren redhanded! Good job! A further note
in the Baptist Press article that there was not an ounce of compassion
for any of the victims of Rick Warren's programs as though they
had no biblical grounds for their opposition. Also note that
they tried to contact Warren and the Wall Street Journal, but
no record of contacting any of the victims to verify their story.
This is the same stunt that Baptist Press pulled when covering
the story on 165 members being ousted from Gardendale Baptist
Church in Corpus Christi, Texas, as though they deserved it.
When the reality is that BP did not even mention the real reason,
and that was they opposed their church being hijacked by Rick
Warren's Purpose Driven programs and teachings.
From Rick Warren's own website pastors.com:
Go to "Transitioning Churches", then to "Step
6, Dealing with Opposition". When you are there, you will
find one post after another from pastors or lay people to the
same. It is full of the purpose driven folks telling others how
to deal with opposition or resistors from getting them 'out of
the gate' to 'shooting the wolves'. Yes, you heard me right...shooting
the wolves. In fact there are many, many threads dealing with
transitioning...read all you can stand to read in order to get
a thorough understanding of what is going on in the churches.
Dan Southerland responds himself as does Glen Sartain, and others
with Transitioning, Inc. I have an example right here:
Originally posted by: beachpreach:
"It takes time, but once you've built a solid leadership
team and have a few wolf killings under your belt, you learn
to act swiftly the next time opposition stirs."
"I had to learn this the hard way without any leadership
team. The wolf-killing got done, I've got the scars to prove
it. But, I LEARNED! and indeed, next time I will act swiftly."_
They are talking about how to get rid of resistors or opposition,
which is what most of you are.
Please go to this website and read. And read. And read. There
are many subjects here all relating to the purpose driven movement.
Transitioning is your game however. Read.
One more current example which is consistent with the advice
given above on Rick Warren's Pastors.com website:
Senior Pastor Lynn Kent of Greater Portland Bible Church
who had completely transformed to a PDC church, whose church
recently promoted a conference in Portland, Oregon with Rick
Warren's North American Global Peace Plan Director as featured
speaker, has now taken over Maranatha Bible Chapel (Christian
& Missionary Alliance) in Horseheads, NY, and just fired
their beloved music director after giving him an ultimatum to
comply with PDC transition transformation which he refused.
This pastor has now destroyed a brother!!! The elders had
a meeting with the choir, informed them...half walked in the
middle of the meeting...the rest are madder than a wet hornet.
Lynn Kent is an interim pastor at this church. So I hope the
whole country takes warning of what could be in store for them
if he ever becomes "Interim" Pastor of their church.
To date he has not repented or made restitution to this brother.
Can't help but also wonder what is in store for resisters when
the permanent pastor is installed. Lynn Kent hass now about
to become a national posterchild for how to destroy a brother.
So you better put on the full armor of God, for PDC and Corporatization
is coming to your church, denomination, and village, if it has
not already taken it over!
9. He promotes Mysticism (one of the reasons Chuck Smith,
the leader of Calvary Chapels has pulled Warren's books).
See Lighthouse Trails website: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/warren.htm
He lied about its Director Deborah Dombrowski too.
Also see Brian Flynn's DVD Be Still and Know...that you are
being deceived, Bob DeWaay's : Dangers of Mysticism and the New
Spirituality at: http://www.onetruthministries.com/, Chapter
8 of the 2nd edition of Ray Yungen's A Time of Departing
which is a critique of Rick Warren's promotion of Richard Foster
and the spiritual formation movement (i.e., contemplative or
mysticism), and Roger Oakland's Purpose Driven Plan:
and Another Jesus, which will be out soon and his new
book on the emerging church, Faith Undone. It is a summer
release, but it will be back from the printers in June. www.lighthousetrails.com/faithundone.htm.
Also Deceived on Purpose by Warren Smith. Available
online at: http://www.discernment-ministries.org/DiscerningPurposeDriven.htm
10. He teaches a New Age Gospel. See Paul Proctor's commentary
on Warren's Ladies Home Journal column: http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor66.htm
Also see my second book on his promotion of Ken Blanchard and
my second Powerpoint on his voting for a August Turak New Ager
for Grand Prize in the Power of Purpose Awards.
Now this is just the tip of the iceburg. He was also caught
lying by Worldnet Daily author Joseph Farah several articles
on Rick Warren: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53048
Berit Kjos' articles such as Treason in the Church:
VCYAMERICA has also publicly called Warren's actions treasonous.
11. In several years, I have received a number of emails
accusing me of slandering a brother (Rick Warren) from PDC pastors
and followers. But to date, no proof and no reasoning from Scripture
to prove our allegations false.
12. Hope this will help prove that Rick Warren is a false teacher.
But if you give me your address, I will send you both of my
books exposing him.
13. I could have folded this into false teachers that Warren
promotes...but his developing a purpose-driven book and curriculim
for Roman Catholics is a major issue. RC is a pagan religion
of Necromancy...for starters. I also address this in my second
book on Warren.
Ask former Roman Catholic priest Richard Bennett what he thinks
of Warren's teachings:
CONCLUSION & WARNING:
In almost every public appearance (99.9%) the true Gospel is
missing, and the PDL or his false P.E.A.C.E. is elevated to gospel
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any
other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be
accursed. (Galatians 1:9 KJV)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34 KJV)
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you,
Nay; but rather division: (Luke 12:51 KJV) (Warren hates
doctrine, it divides the light from the darkness and he serves
His unholy alliances are many IE: He is a CFR member, Bedfellows
with Bono, promotes One.org, he readily accepted in hate filled
countries by hate filled dignitaries such as Syria, and North
Korea as well others; and the list goes on and on. In fact the
only real enemy that Warren speaks about is Bible Believing Born
Again Christians (Fundamentalists) in his opinion they are the
worst enemies of the 21st century!
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship
of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be
a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4:4 KJV)
Abstain from all appearance of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And
what communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11 KJV)
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction
cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they
shall not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV)
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because
we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth
in death. (1 John 3:14 KJV)
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil
deeds. (2 John 1:10-11 KJV)