Dear Danni,

I just finished reading the recent Christianity Today article entitled:

"I Was Married to Jekyll and Hyde" and visiting your website outofthedarkness.net.

The article (with a link to you) failed to point out the rampant number of suicides across the country which are being caused by Psychotropic drugs. Hear the tragic testimonies at:

Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, Executive Director, International Coalition For Drug Awareness

http://www.drugawareness.org

Also listen to her interview on the Jeff Rense Show

& related article on bipolar:

http://www.thejournalnews.com/rtc/27part6.htm

&

Bipolar Disorder

The Harvard Mental Health Letter (January 1998), p. 8, reports:

"The severe cyclical mood fluctuations of bipolar or manic-depressive disorder affect a little more than 1%* of the population in both sexes, all races, and all parts of the world. In most cases the cause is genetic or unknown, but the symptoms can also be a result of thallium or mercury poisoning, vitamin B12 deficiency, brain tumors, steroids, multiple sclerosis, and other causes."

*Jame's foonote,.the fact is, it is ZERO %)

Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde might be an apt description as that describes the Scripture " a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways!" But the Scripture itself offers the solution: "I will keep in perfect peace whose mind is stayed in him (Christ)." So if you can obtain perfect peace by this Biblical injunction, what can a drug add...and more like what will it impair? But John's condition can also just as easily be demon possession. What demon is responsive to drugs like this? If anything, drugs become the the cup of demons that dialate the soul to bring in even more demons to join the party and possess the person even more! Notice the medication never cured John...simply novitated him. I know that pathologically speaking not all medication cures a disease but only treats symptoms. Antibiotics cured my cold and sinusitus. But no psychotropic drug has ever cured anyone. I know that even in good pathology where my father had Parkinson's Disease that there were still side effects such as a dramatic change in personality and lost appetite. Finally Romans 8:28 works "for those who are called ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE." Psychology NEVER Was and NEVER will be his purpose!

In addition to the Christianity Today article, my response to the following article in the Monitor perfectly parallels and underscores my opinion and spiritual discernment of the views expressed in the "I Was Married to Jekyl and Hyde" article.

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I recently read the article in the December 2003 Monotor entitled:

Religion and spirituality in the treatment room

Some psychologists think incorporating spirituality into therapeutic environments could bring new treatment options into the limelight.

BY KAREN KERSTING Monitor staff

Print version: page 40,

I must say that I am most astonished that Christian Psychologists would not already know that Psychology ALREADY IS SPIRITUAL at its very roots, but that its founders and the foundation itself is a principality with a worldview which is antithetical to the Gospel and Scripture. In this regard, I would like to respond to the article in my book review below of Psychology Debunked, as well as in my debate with Christian Psychologist, Dr. John Stoll who promote the idea that marriage and life can be sanctified by the use of the Carl Jung based Briggs-Meyers Personality Profiler, Jung, himself, being another founder of modern psychology derived his psychology from divination, astrology, necromancy, taoism, gnosticism, and a belief in evolution.

PSYCHOLOGY DEBUNKED

Book Review by James Sundquist

I just could not wait to read and review PSYCHOLOGY DEBUNKED after hearing its authors, former psychotherapist Lisa Bazler & Ryan Bazler, in their hour-long insightful interview on Chuck Crismier's VIEWPOINT Radio Program on the Internet. Upon reading the book, I would mark five stars for every stellar point they made. I kept wondering, “will they cover this issue?” Or, “I hope they don't say something doctrinally unsound!” Well I was not disappointed. Virtually every question that you might pose regarding the viability of psychology was answered. And every question whether it offers any hope to Christians was answered.

In reviewing the book, I first simply wanted to list all of the great specifics why psychology is not compatible with Christianity, why it is not science, and why there is no pathology to support it. But I love to talk in pictures or parables. Then it struck me. I saw a picture of a huge ball of yarn which had been completely tangled, mangled, gnarled, and knotted. I thought to myself, who can possibly untangle this ball of yarn? This ball of yarn is Psychology. Well, the authors have managed to do just that. They dismantled and removed every knot in the ball of yarn. What is even more amazing is that when they finally completed their mission of unraveling the ball of yarn, the yarn had completely vanished. There remained no yarn left to make anything...not enough for a sweater, not enough even for a hot pad, and certainly not enough to build the emperor's new clothes. Tragically, the world and the Church is so smitten by this ball of yarn, they continue to knit imaginary garments for the emperor and all mankind. But there is no garment for the king and there are no real garments for anyone to wear with this ball of yarn.

This book is so easy to understand, but that should not be surprising. The Scripture tells us to not stray away from the simplicity of Christ. Psychology has complicated and knotted the yarn. When the authors finishing demolishing every argument that defends psychology, it was so obvious and simple, a child could understand it. But that should not be surprising either, since the Lord also tells us to come as a child...in fact it is the only way we can come. Just some of the examples the authors make as clear as the water that flows down from the Oregon mountains is that the Bible teaches that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Psychology counsels no fear of the Lord at anytime in any of its therapies, let alone at the beginning. So there is no wisdom in it. The Bible teaches that there is body, soul, and spirit; psychology says there is only the body and the soul. The Bible teaches us that it is Holy Spirit that will lead us in all truth and that it is sharper than a two edged sword, dividing even the soul from spirit. Psychology doesn't even believe in the Holy Spirit. The Bible teaches us about our eternal destiny. Psychology offers no hope for eternity. The Bible teaches us to lay up for our selves treasures in heaven. Psychology offers no concept of heaven to lay up your treasures for. The Bible says seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things (our needs) will be added unto us. Psychology doesn't seek first the Kingdom of God, in fact it never seeks the Kingdom of God. The Bible teaches that our help comes from the Lord. Psychology tells us our help comes from one or more of unproven theories and tens of thousands of psychotherapists whose ideas were drawn from paganism, divination, astrology, humanism, and evolution. The Bible teaches that being lovers of selves is mankind's problem. Psychology teaches that being lovers of selves is the solution. Bible teaches that we can come freely to drink the waters of life. Psychology charges for it. The Bible offers the opportunity of becoming a new man in Christ. Psychology offers an improved or even damaged version of the old man. The Bible teaches that our strength is perfected in weakness and that in suffering, sin loses its power. Psychology teaches us how to balance our strengths and weaknesses with personality profiles derived from paganism and divination. The Bible esteems the contrite and broken spirit. Psychology esteems self-esteem. The Bible teaches us to rejoice in the suffering or being persecuted with Christ to produce character and overcome the world. Psychology has no interest in Christ's suffering, our suffering with Christ, or sees any redemptive value in his shed blood. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ believed in demon possession and delivered those possessed. Psychology teaches that there is no such thing as demon possession...so there is nothing to be delivered from. The Bible tells us how to be blessed in the Beatitudes. Psychology doesn't even comprehend blessing, so it can not offer anyone a blessing because it omits the person required to administer these blessings, that is Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us we can't produce the fruit of the spirit which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control without abiding in the vine which is Jesus Christ himself. Psychology attempts to bear this fruit by abiding in the teaching of such founders as Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud who opposed Christianity!

The Bible teaches that there are primarily three things that are required of every Christian: (1) Salvation, (2) Sanctification, and (3) Carry out the Great Commission so that others may receive. Psychology can't offer Salvation, Sanctification, and is unable to and does not even pretend to offer the Great Commission in order that others might be saved and sanctified.

So Christians, Pastors, and every “Christian Psychotherapist” needs to be asking the question: “So then why are we offering Psychology?” The authors answer this question so thoroughly, that it should be required reading in every Christian College and Seminary (and that is most of them) that teach Psychology as a valid tool for sanctification and training in righteousness and helping people. The Church needs to wake up too and stop integrating and mixing the Gospel with the Religion of Psychology in its programs too! You can not serve two masters! Choose today whom you will follow -- the Mighty Counselor and Intercessor, or your flawed psychotherapist as your counselor! Psychology is based on myths while Paul in his Second Epistle to Timothy said to turn aside from myths! As Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun, and Psychology, showing it true colors, draws its ideas from the foundation right back to the Garden of Eden..... “someone else made me do it!” Adam and Eve could not blame their problems on their environment or their ancestors. Psychology implies that everyone is a victim and no one is a sinner (no one is guilty)! Lisa & Ryan hit the nail on the head with this book because they lead you right back to The Book for the right answers to all of your problems. They list every major reason a person goes to a psychotherapist, then give you every Scripture that will really solve your problems and your imaginary problems...and your life. The authors prove that Psychology offers no help to the secular world which is not Christian and it certainly does not offer any hope or help to a Christian. Therefore, I must give it my highest rating and commendation...fives stars. I would recommend it to anyone who truly wants to be delivered from bondage!!

For your Information, Psychology Debunked can be purchased at the author's website: http://www.psychologydebunked.com

I invite you to take a close look at Isaiah 61:1 that you have posted as a banner on your website. This Scripture is a prophecy of Jesus Christ's coming and was read by Jesus Christ himself at the beginning of his ministry. He left no mystery as to what it meant or who it referred to when he said that TODAY this Scripture is fulfilled IN TOTAL. There is not Jesus Christ + Psychology to mend the broken heart, or worse: Scripture + Psychotropic Drugs = Healing. Paul devotes much of his Epistles to describe the perfection process for the saints. It is known as sanctification. Paul would call bipolar disorder a myth and knowledge falsely so called. But he did not invite us to promote magic arts, but rather, the Christians in the Book of Acts BURNED this books.

I do not mean to be harsh, and am confident you have the noblest intentions, but I have no choice but to reveal the deception in these teachings.

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist

President

Rock Salt Publishing

Dear Danni,

Thank you for responding to my email.

Since you asked some questions, I would like to respond to them as well as some of your comments.

"I am confused as to why you wrote to me in the first place?"

Dear Danni,

Thank you for your email. I am sorry if this was not clear. Your website was the main link to the recent article in Christianity Today. So, I am responding to that article and to you since the link is pointing to you.

Was it to advertise your own work?

What work would I be advertising? If you are referring to the book "Psychology Debunked", I do not publish this book, but having researched to roots and worldview of Psychology for many years, I was compelled to write the review of this book totally unsolicited. I do not sell it and do not make one penny off of it. But I do everything within my power to promote the book, secure Christian radio station and network reviews for the authors without pay, and speak on various Christian stations and networks myself on this subject as well as to expose the Purpose Driven Church and Church Growth Movement which also promotes psychology.

Or was it to tell me how wrong my approach to dealing with Bipolar Disorder is?

Bipolar Disorder is completely based on opinions of Psychologists who invented the disorder completely based on founding fathers of Psychology. Are you aware that German Psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin, is the one credited with the supposed "discovering" of BiPolar Disorder, was a Darwinist Evolutionist and Eugenicist, believing that mental symptoms were hereditary and he supported the sterilization of certain "mentally ill" so defective genes could not be passed on? And that Hitler drew his Holocaust theology, in great part, this "Father of Psychiatry. Emil Kraepelin was also responsible for codifying and classifying human behavior. How do you think Hitler's Nazism was able to select who to destroy? Ironically, even Kreaepelin did not believe there was ANY treatment or cure for mental illness. And these points are not simply another opinion, but a matter of Public Record. Source: http://www.cultawarenessnetwork.org/AUM/SECTION_3/13.html & http://www.toolan.com/hitler/survive.html

Now of course I know that you would agree that Hitler was evil. But you must also call evil where he got his ideas!

Even the test for BiPolar Disorder on your own website comes from psychologists who do not even believe in a body, soul, and spirit...they do not even have the image of man that God created us in, right. Furthermore, none of this roots (founders of Psychology) feared the Lord, so they did not even have the beginning of wisdom. Furthermore, your Bipolar test is subjective, while the Word of God is objective. Look up for yourself who coined the term "Bipolar Disorder", then examine his faith and teaching in accordance with Scripture. Since you indicated that you did not read 3/4 of my email, you would miss the proof of one major pillar after another being diametrically opposed to the Gospel of Grace and Doctrines of the Apostles. So I encourage you to read this review.

And, I believe fully that medication is ordained by God. After all, one of his own disciples was a physician.

Yes, Luke was a physician, but he treated only those things in which there was pathology. What pathology is there in Bipolar Disorder. There certainly is none in the Bipolar test on your website. Show me one Scripture which advocates medication for what comes out of the heart of man? I can show you many in which medication (pharmaka) defiles the soul of a man.

Be careful of your opinions, you could ruin someone's life by giving them the wrong information

What is much more critical is not what you or I think but the what the Bible says. As with the Psychology movement, it is simply a matter of lining up your teaching from your own quotes and teachers of the Bi-Polar Disorder with Scripture, line by line precept upon precept. That is how you can answer me and any opposition. That is exactly what the Apostle Paul did and commanded us to do. You should not be surprised when a responsible Christian asks questions about Bi Polar Disorder such as where did you find that idea in Scripture?

Certainly you are not suggesting when a Christian Church is considering bring in a teacher that it should not do the above in order determine whether or not they are a false teacher. Certainly you are not suggesting that I don't test the spirits to see if they be of God? Certainly you are not suggesting that there is no such thing as doctrines of demons and seducing spirits, masquerading as an angel of light, and knowledge "false, so called"? And if so, where do you go to determine this? Jesus Christ, the Apostles Paul, Peter, Jude, and John devote extensive Scripture to exposing false teaching and warning the flock. So why would you think it strange or have no patience for it? Paul spent most of his dialogue with those who opposed him! He had patience for it, so why wouldn't you? As a born again Christian, I can not remain silent in the face of the epidemic of any Psychology.

I can't warn everyone, but I do try to begin by warning the teachers themselves per chance they repent from the snare of the Devil, as Paul says in

" In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. II Timothy." 2 2:25-26 KJV

Finally, though you do dnot presently perceive it this way, my exposes and warnings to you are for YOUR welfare and eternal destiny. And whether you listen or fail to listen, I stand before the Lord. As with Ezekiel in his Watchman Passage, your blood is on my hands not because I convince you, but whether or not I tell you the truth. My prayer, however, is that in the end, your response (and Kathryn's) will not be as the Galations were to the Apostle Paul when he said: "I am now therefore the enemy because I tell you the truth?"

If you care to continue this type of false information

I can not overemphasize how much I agree with you the dangers of bearing false witness. In fact I take this so seriously, I fear and believe the Lord when says that bearing false witness against a brother is destestable in His eyes. And as a teacher, I am held to even a stricter accounting. Plus "Thou Shalt not bear false witness" is one of the Ten Commandmants. So before we go calling anyone a false teacher both of us had better be able to back it up with facts. My facts are simply quoting Psychologists from their own words and published documents and simply comparing their teaching to Scripture.

My final appeal to you is in the words of Jesus Christ himself and the Apostle Paul:

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." Matthew 7:15-19

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"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matthew 7:16 "For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes." Luke 6:43-44 "Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so [can] no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." James 3:12 "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils." I Corinthians 10:21

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. " (2 Tim. 4:1-4, NASB)

"Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissension and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

"For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting."

(Romans 16:17-18, NASB, underlining mine)

you could ruin someone's life by giving them the wrong information.

I could not agree with you more that wrong information or false teaching will ruin not just someone's life, but whole households, and whole households of faith (churches), as is evidences by the teaching coming out of the Church Growth Movement. If I truly wanted to ruin their life, I would remain silent. But do you think when Jesus Christ, Paul, Jude, Peter and John warned us about not being deceived that they were serious? That they would then deem it important enough to identify the teachings that were already deceiving even the early Church?

Titus 1:11 "They must be silenced because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach."

Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.--EZEKIEL 33:4

Finally you state:

“what is wrong with the Christian church, is that too many people believe that you are sick because you don't have enough faith”

I would agree with you that because of the Faith Movement and Christian Science, many people hold this erroneous and very unbalanced unscriptural view. However, I never made such a statement and certainly don't believe it. So there is nothing to “rethink” here!

From your website, you would appear to be a Christian. If this is so, you and I both must obey Scripture and hold every thought captive and cast down vain strongholds of imagination, and declare strange fire at the altar, particularly when it is done in the name of Jesus, but its very philosophical underpinings (psychology and evolution) are anti-Christ.

So you should not be puzzled by my letter to you. I hope in the end you are grateful for the truth!

Lisa & Ryan Bazler may have already emailed you their response to the article in Christianity Today. But in case they did not, I have attached it!

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist

President

Rock Salt Publishing

Dear Danni,

As long as you ask me questions, I am happy to answer them.

DANNI: Your letters have left me confused as to what you actually stand for...Secondly, your writing is very confusing, and you talk in circles.....Sir, I do not have a clue whether you support what I do, or are against what I do

Since you tell me that my writing is confusing, I presented my letters to you to some other discernment colleagues, and asked them if there was any thing unclear about my writing and positions. Everyone said that it was perfectly clear. In the thousands of emails I have sent and articles I have written, not one person until you said that they were confused about my points or positions. But what is important here is that you become clear and no longer confused. So I am going tell you directly as the Scriptures say that our yays should be yay and our nays nay.

So here is my position. I am totally opposed to your teaching, ministry and theology and the myth of bipolar disorder. Furthermore, like Paul opposed Peter (to his face, and publically) because he was clearly in the wrong. Now this did not mean Paul did not like Peter. It did not mean Peters was not a nice person, as I am sure you are. It is clear that you are trying to help people. But so are Mormons and the Pope. It is the teaching that is the issue. So likewise I most oppose you because you are clearly in the wrong by promoting the myth of Bipolar Disorder and the treatment you advocate. Finally, I will warn people about CT article and you website. Now, anything unclear or confusing about that?

You apparently never read my response to her use of Isaiah 61:1. I told her that this Scripture is a prophecy of Jesus Christ and was fuffilled and is completely fulfilled in Christ. So, Jesus Christ would not tell us or confirm a non-existent mythical disease. And if we are sick, he would either heal us directly, or work through a physician to prescribe medication that produces a host of suicides.

I am tired of hearing people say to me that they prayed about it and then proceed to do exactly what they wanted to do in the first place without testing the spirits, or bothering to compare the teachings with Scripture and do due diligence to see where these teachings came from. It is like "don't confuse me with the facts because God has anointed me to do this...I am going to continue what I am doing, regardless of what anyone says!"

Now imagine taking her BiPolar test, find out I have this imaginery disease...then get a prescription for a myth. Sadly their is nothing mythylogical about the deleterious effects of taking this medicine that is a "blessing from God."

As to what I stand for, I stand on the Word of God, not on any other foundation, or super structure for that matter. I agree with Paul to stand for nothing else but Christ crucified.

DANNI:

Mr. Sundquist, I ask you this. Are you diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder?

No I am not and would not believe the diagnosis based on mythology which the Apostle Paul opposed. And so should you, if you are a Christian. (This test on your site is so subjective, I could make a case for both David and Paul having BiPolar Disorder.)

DANNI:

Have you ever lived with a mental illness?

I used to minister in music to patients in mental hospitals and have spent years ministering personally to one inmate of one in New Jersey who is the best friend of a lady we pastor. I witness the devastation of the drugs they administer to him personally. And I have seen mountains of files and photos of abuse and mistreatment of other patients in the same hospital....so abusive that the FBI is investigation them. But there are official reports of this going on all over the country.

DANNI:

Thirdly, I think you are calling the wrong sheep black.

So, in your mind, at least someone would qualify as a black sheep? How do you determine who is a black sheep? Shouldn't all teaching be compared to Scripture to determine who is a black sheep or a sheep in wolves clothing? How do you think a wolf gets into the flock of Christ to devour them or lead them astray except to disquise himself as truth? This is not rocket science, all you have to do is study the philosophy of the Eugenics School in German that produced the founder of this alleged disease called BiPolar Disorder then line up the teaching with Scripture. Isn't this what a good Berean is supposed to do?

DANNI:

"The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives, And freedom to prisoners." Isaiah 61:1

I addressed Isaiah 61:1 in a previous email as well as above. Let me just add this. Note from this passage the even if your BiPolar Disease exists, a person is required to to the binding of the broken hearted. That person is Jesus. Where is the name of Jesus mentioned by Psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin who conceived BiPolar Disorder to diagnose and cure such a disease? You mentioned Luke was a physician. But Luke was a Christian. Now I will concede a nonChristian physician can be used by the Lord to aid in physical illness. But they are of no value when it comes to the soul (psuche). This could not be more clear than from the Scripture "why seek ye the counsel among the ungodly?" Jesus said to come unto Him, learn from Him, etc., and if we do we ill find rest unto our souls ---psuche---true Christian psychology is only found in Jesus teaching, and that is only found in the Scriptures. So, please document for me when Emil Kraepelin came unto Jesus, or for that matter, Jung, Freud, Rogers, Adler, and all of the rest of the founders of modern psychology religion.? Which one of them feared the Lord? Where is Christ crucified in their personality profiles and codification of human behavior? WHERE IS SIN? Everyone is a victim and no one is a sinner!

DANNI:

I will continue on with what I am doing, regardless of what anyone says. I don't answer to anyone but God.

So you are going to ignore the Scriptures that say something must be established in the witness of two or more? You are going to disregard the Scriptures that call for submission to other authorities such as elders that God has established in his Church? You say you answer only to God. But God would turn right around then and tell you that you need to be a good Berean to search the Scriptures diligently to see if these things be true. You say you answer only to God. But God would then (through the Apostle Paul) tell you to examine where these teachings (Bipolar Disorder) branch and the rest of the Psychology that these ideas came from. This is one reason the Bazlers are sending you their book Psychology Debunked. I would be happy to point you to Scriptures to show you who else you are accountable to.

DANNI:

I prayed about it, and I still feel that this ministry is ordained by God.

After you prayed, did you obey Christ by examining these teachings in light of Scripture? After you prayed, did you inquire of other Elders to confirm this...and by this I mean elders who truly know what the leaders of Psychology actually teach vs. Scripture? Example, would an elder tell you that Carl Jung, another psychiatrists (from Switzerland) whose philosophy is now being taught and promoted in Rick Warren and Bill Hybels Churches, was an occultist, necromancer, astrologer, taoist, and an evolutionist? Or do you find an elder who has no problem with Carl Jung and these other psychologists? But count on this, I will tell you the truth about them. You say your ministry is ordained by God. But you can't just say this. It is ordained by God ONLY if the teachings of your ministry line up with Scripture. But because you are promoting the philosophy of Bipolar Disorder, whose teachings do not line up with Scripture, then your ministry does not line up with Scripture, so it can not be ordained of God. Believe me, if it were, I could not wait to commend you and do everything I am doing for Ryan & Lisa Bazler to undergird your ministry.

If you are a Christian, you must obey this Scripture:

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

My ultimate pray is that you repent of your support of the myth of Bipolar Disorder! As soon as you do, your ministry begins!

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist

President

Rock Salt Publishing

Dear Danni,

I must admit I am somewhat confused, as the email just prior to this you asked me:

Please cease and desist, I do not wish to continue a conversation that is pointless.

Then you say in an email to me a few minutes later:

Please answer me in 3 paragraphs or less!

You ask me a question. But how am able to answer it if you do not want to hear from me? Now I think you will have to admit that a reasonable person would construe that what you are asking is contradictory. Is one of the symptons of Bipolar that the two poles pursue opposite courses? Now I would be happy to respond in 3 paragraphs or less, but there are many places on your website to go...it was not clear to me where you are directing me on your site to read those questions you say you address. In particular, it would also be helpful if you could tell me which things or questions I am saying that are covered on your website. Simply direct me and I will respond.

Finally since you have said twice to me "Satan get thee behind me," it would appear that this point is as important for you to convey as anything else on your website. So I would like to respond. In fact, Biblically, even if I am guilty of your charges, wouldn't be entitled to the due process of Matthew 18 wouldn't I? And would it not be appropriate, since you are trying to convince me of your position to do so in the spirit of the following Scriptures:

"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." 2 Timothy 2:25-26

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ." I Peter 3:15-16

In conjunction with the two passages above, I appeal to you reconsider the context of the passages you quoted, applying them to me. These are very serious charges...which I take so seriously, I do examine my own heart and the Scripture to see if they apply. I must admit that no one has ever laid this charge against me. I might easily use this command to address Satan directly, but it is generally known that it was Christ who spoke the command and it had to do with Peter suggesting a good idea (man's idea of what seems right unto man...ie. psychology, man's wisdom, philosophy of this world) to prevent Christ from fulfilling his mission of the Cross. But to invoke it directly at a person today, one better be certain, and secondly, it is a bit presumptious to assume or equate our work with that of Christ's finished work! Here is are the Scriptures in context:

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Isn't Jesus talking about Psychologists...as they certainly are the ideas of men rather than God? The best way to put God in a box is to confine him to the ideas of Psychology or combine his ordinances with the strange fire at the altar. So, you selected the very Scripture I would use to prove that Psychology is at enmity with God. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Psychology nor its founders and principal teachers have NO faith in Him.

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist

Dear Danni,

I have done as you asked and have read your story on your website. But before I respond to it, I would like to ask you a question. You do not want me to quote Scripture, so this naturally begs the question what book or authority would you like me to quote by which we can measure or test the spirits to see if they be of God? Paul always reasoned from Scripture and commended the Bereans for doing so, but he never once suggested a different book to determine absolute truth.

I read your story and could not help but notice how much your worldview has been based on feelings. Some examples:

"I felt as though Jesus had walked away from me for a very long time...

I felt the love of God from a church body for the first time in my life....

One morning I awoke and felt this strange joy in my heart...

Lord, if this is wrong, show me and help me to get over the guilty feeling I have for being here,,,

My Mom has always said, "if you feel depressed, make yourself look good, that in itself, will help you feel better". She is right."

Felt Needs is the gospel of the Church Growth Movement and Seeker Friendly Theology...but subjective "feelings" is another gospel vs objective truth. How we feel does not make any difference for as Paul says I have learned how to be abased and to abound. Subjectivity is what lead to the experience seeking gospel such as the Toronto Blessing, and Prayer Centering.

Your doctors says "I think you are depressed and I'm going to put you on a mild anti-depressant."

Now imagine a physician putting a cast on someone simply because he "thinks" you have a broken arm. No he must know you have a broken arm by either an X-Ray or obvious visible break. I know this because my father was a physician.

I thought that since God had put us together, that we wouldn't have all those problems, and life would be wonderful.

Doesn't Scripture say that in this world we will have tribulation. As a Christian we may have even more problems and trials...and the more we preach the Gospel, often the GREATER the persecution.

"be normal"

I know what normal blood pressure is: 120/80. But who defined what normal is when it comes to the soul or psychology? The never once talks about being normal or being restored to normal when it comes to the soul, it is always whether we obeyed or disobeyed. If we obey we are right with God, if we don't we are not right with God.

The one thing that helped me the most is to believe in myself.

Where in Scripture did you get this theology? The object of our faith is the Lord NOT SELF and our obedience to Him. Jonah, Elijah and Jeremiah lost all belief in themselves, yet what helped them the most was trusting the Lord and preaching the message God gave them. David, Jeremiah, Paul and even Jesus despaired unto death. Your theology of being consumed with self is at the heart of psychology but it is not the heart of the Gospel

we are all children of God,

Is that what the Bible says? Chapter and verse please!....I am trying not to quote the Bible at your request, but simply reason with you. But this statement just screams for an answer. This theology is not found in Scripture but it sure is prevalent in the New Age Movement and those who believe in Universal Salvation. Jesus Christ himself called the Pharisees sons of their Father the Devil. Are you suggesting that whom Jesus called sons of the devil are simultaneously sons of God? Secondly we are NOT all children of God because of the following Scripture:

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

But the fact is MOST people did not receive him then and to this day will not receive him. So they can't be sons of God.

This is confirmed also by John 3:17 and Jhn 3:36: "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." We are not all children of God but children of wrath.

If what you say is true than all are saved and the wrath of God falls on no one! Therefore your assertion is diametrically opposed the Jesus Christ's own words!

and we are worth it

No we are not worthy...this is more self-worth psychology, "Thou alone art worthy." God did not love us because we are worthy, but while we were yet sinners contributing NOTHING!!!!!

I was hoping to find the answers to my questions or comments by reading your story. You did quote some Scripture, but I did not see any connection between your quotes and the concerns I confronted you with.

Now I have tried not to exceed your wishes of three paragraphs. And I can certain reformat it into three paragraphs, but did not do so for the sake of clarity.

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist

From: Danni Scully

To: James Sundquist

Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:59 AM

Subject: Re: Matthew 16:23

OK, I'll address this now, instead of coming back to it later.

First off I used the "Get thee behind me satan" because of that very verse. Peter was not meaning to be offensive to Jesus, nor was he trying to talk Jesus into doing something else, but he (Peter) thought with a human mind. To me, the term "Get thee behind me satan", means, You cannot, nor will you ever be able to turn me from what God has laid before me. And, with the discussion you have laid before me, you are doing satan's will, which is trying to stop me from this ministry. This is not the first time someone has tried this, nor am I surprised.

But, I re-iterate, nothing will stop me from the ministry God has given me. I direct you to two pages on my website. One is my own story www.outofthedarkness.net/mystory.html. The other is the brief description of the book that I am writing. http://www.outofthedarkness.net/dismantleinfo.html This is the fifth book I've written.

I think I will include one more page for your perusal. http://www.outofthedarkness.net/devotionals.html

Mr. Sundquist, after much thought, I do believe that you and I are on the same team. We just have two different ways of looking at it. Please do not tell me that Bipolar Disorder is a myth or some other figment of my imagination. I have lived through it, and come out on the other side a much better person. I do believe that medication should be used carefully, and that psychology can be grossly over done. BUT, I also believe that done correctly, each can be useful, but you must be careful. I believe most of all, that without God in my life, and a strong relationship with him, my life would be nothing, and I would have killed myself a long time ago.

I come from a long line of depression and child abuse. As I think I stated earlier I was raped three times before I was 25 years old. My Dad beat us kids on a daily basis until he left when I was eleven years old. I was the tall skinny kid with crooked teeth and thick glasses. Now that would make anyone depressed.

The kids all made fun of me of course. But, I believe that your childhood does not matter, it's what you do with it that counts. I believe that depression and Bipolar Disorder come from how we grow up and how we live our lives. I believe that what happens in your childhood and how you eat and live later in your life is what causes the down hill spiral.

Sugar, alcohol, drugs etc are all addictive and I can tell you from personal experience that they only make things very much worse. Each of these is a depressant. Mind you I never did drugs, but I did drink and smoke, and eat way too much refined sugar.

So, tell me, where does the depression come from? Best of all, when I am not in God's word, is when I get depressed the most. You are right, God is the only true healer. I do not dispute that. Nor will I ever dispute that. Medication is only used (in my belief system) when someone is so far down they need help to see the truth. That is the only use for medication. The only reason for a counselor is to help deal with the issues and get them out of the way as well. A strong relationship with God is the only way for true healing. I know you do not agree with me, but that's ok. I am not going to change my opinion. I've been doing this too long for that. And, oh yes, you can guarantee that I have taken this to the Lord in prayer at great length on many occasion. You can also guarantee that I have tried and tested every opinion and point that I put on paper. AND, I have prayed about every word I write as well.

James, I got very mad at you for all of this. I have an X friend that does this to me, sends me tons of information and tells me how wrong I am for the way I believe. I guess you could say because of him, you set me off badly.

Forgive me for my anger. Please don't send me a whole bunch of scriptures, I read the Bible daily and I know what it says. I know that sounds arrogant, but I honestly won't read it under these circumstances. My Mom always says, "You can catch more bee's with honey, than you can with vinegar".

You can write if you want to, I decided I won't cut the conversation with you. But, please don't write me more than a page at a time, because I run a business here at home, and I don't have time to read it. If the first paragraph makes me mad, I will most likely not read it. I am a professional seamstress, and I work at home, as well as being a writer. I am also head of costuming for a major play here in town.

Take care, and we will talk later.

Danni

www.outofthedarkness.net

----- Original Message -----

From: James Sundquist

To: Danni Scully

Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: Matthew 16:23

Dear Danni,

I must admit I am somewhat confused, as the email just prior to this you asked me:

Please cease and desist, I do not wish to continue a conversation that is pointless.

Then you say in an email to me a few minutes later:

Please answer me in 3 paragraphs or less!

You ask me a question. But how am able to answer it if you do not want to hear from me? Now I think you will have to admit that a reasonable person would construe that what you are asking is contradictory. Is one of the symptons of Bipolar that the two poles pursue opposite courses? Now I would be happy to respond in 3 paragraphs or less, but there are many places on your website to go...it was not clear to me where you are directing me on your site to read those questions you say you address. In particular, it would also be helpful if you could tell me which things or questions I am saying that are covered on your website. Simply direct me and I will respond.

Finally since you have said twice to me "Satan get thee behind me," it would appear that this point is as important for you to convey as anything else on your website. So I would like to respond. In fact, Biblically, even if I am guilty of your charges, wouldn't be entitled to the due process of Matthew 18 wouldn't I? And would it not be appropriate, since you are trying to convince me of your position to do so in the spirit of the following Scriptures:

"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." 2 Timothy 2:25-26

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ." I Peter 3:15-16

In conjunction with the two passages above, I appeal to you reconsider the context of the passages you quoted, applying them to me. These are very serious charges...which I take so seriously, I do examine my own heart and the Scripture to see if they apply. I must admit that no one has ever laid this charge against me. I might easily use this command to address Satan directly, but it is generally known that it was Christ who spoke the command and it had to do with Peter suggesting a good idea (man's idea of what seems right unto man...ie. psychology, man's wisdom, philosophy of this world) to prevent Christ from fulfilling his mission of the Cross. But to invoke it directly at a person today, one better be certain, and secondly, it is a bit presumptious to assume or equate our work with that of Christ's finished work! Here is are the Scriptures in context:

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Isn't Jesus talking about Psychologists...as they certainly are the ideas of men rather than God? The best way to put God in a box is to confine him to the ideas of Psychology or combine his ordinances with the strange fire at the altar. So, you selected the very Scripture I would use to prove that Psychology is at enmity with God. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Psychology nor its founders and principal teachers have NO faith in Him.

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist

 
 
 
       
 

 

 

 
 

 

 

 
       

 
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